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 Post subject: More World Championships
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:27 am 
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It's been discussed a couple of times, but what do people think about IC Worlds every 2 years instead of 3? I know that it means it costs more to try to get to every worlds, but every 2 years means a quicker rotation back to a country near you - so it kind of balances out.
I reckon a Worlds in 2013 , 15 and 17 is more appealing than 2 in that same timeframe, what do other people think? Plus if something comes up and I can't get to one, it's only 4 years between major regattas not 6.

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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:16 pm 
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Hi Christian
if you recall at the skippers' meeting at the Worlds in 2005 you were very keen on reducing time between World Championships. When I brought up this matter at the skippers' meeting in 2008 at Mcrae you were not keen and seemed almost to have forgotten what you said in 2005. Nobody at the meeting in McCrae seemed keen to reduce the time interval. All we had were wingeing Ozzies and Americans. So why are you bringing it up again now? The time to discuss it would have been at McCrae, but it was not. So now we are stuck with very nearly 3 years to go tour next Worlds. One year less would have been ideal in my opinion, but it is not to be.
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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:48 pm 
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I honestly don't recall discussing time between regattas at the 2008 Skippers meeting, so I apologise for this and missing it in the minutes - put it down to brain fade of organising the regatta.
We were locked in to 2011 being Germany, but we have plenty of time for a country to bid for 2013 (as I see it) and reduce the gap between Championships.

Seems to me this issue definitely isn't dead, we had 1 person interested, and with you we have 2. Who else is keen to reduce time between Regattas? Is the USA keen to run a regatta in 2013 (if that ICF Championship in Spain isn't happening)? I'd still run an event out of Thailand or Dubai if people are keen.

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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:52 am 
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I've been having trouble logging onto the IC Forum (sent e-mail to Neil tried everything I know apart from remembering my password) so can you post this for me please.

Personally I think 3 years is ok its far enough apart to be affordable, we already have trouble getting numbers due to cost as it is. I also like that the Worlds are spread apart, to me make its that bit more special when you achieve your goal in the championship, there is more dedication put into the class so the reward is that bit sweeter.

I missed the 2002 Worlds and wished I hadn't although at the time in 2002 I had stopped sailing it was a few years later when I regretted not going. Sure its a long time between drinks if you miss one, lesson is DONT miss one support the class and be rewarded by attending a Worlds which has a great bunch of people sailing one of if not the greatest boat there has been.

I think if the class grows again (internationally) and we get numbers back to the level of around the 93 Worlds and we are having trouble to find spaces in containers and not what we have now, trouble filling one container then we can start thinking about shortening the time. Its a matter of getting the numbers back to make it affordable.

I don't recall a bunch of winging Aussie's and Americans? Why is it not ok to bring it up now at least we can have a healthy debate rather than just at the skippers meeting when time is limited.

Dubai and Thailand don't appeal to me, I would prefer another Worlds out of Richmond YC or somewhere in Canada, Ireland... even NZ in the future with interest growing across the Tasman, and if Mikey can get Poland numbers up then there is another possible venue, support our current fleets grow them back up and then look too spread our wings. Tropical venues don't appeal one bit to me the humidity just to start, ok Dubai isn't tropical maybe the one appealing factor for Dubai is potential sponsorship of the entire event and we all get out boats etc shipped there and back at next to no cost... (well I've heard other events getting that done over there no pictures yet therefore it didn't happen but worth investigation)

H.

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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:03 pm 
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Firstly, are we really locked-in to having the Worlds in 2011? I'm sure it could be easily changed to 2010, as we are to hold it as part of Travemeunde Woche, and it would make no difference at all to the venue hosts. 2 years and 8 months to me seems more reasonable than 3 years and 8 months between championships (as I stated at the skippers' meeting at McCrae).
I would be keen to try out "alternative venues" as long as the cost is reasonable for everyone.
Cost is obviously an issue for a lot of people. With a championship every 2 or 2 and a half years (depending on hemishere), if you have to miss one, well at least you don't have 3 years to wait for the next one. Most other classes have a much more hectic championship schedule. In the Moths the Worlds were every year or 18 months, not to mention Europeans.
Simon Allen, GBR 278 & 312

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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:27 pm 
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If the Germans were interested in bringing it forward by a year, and we could fill a container from Australia, then I would be very interested in 2010 (might have to work on the travelling account which is 0 at the moment :roll: ).
I like the idea of GER2010, USA2012, NZ2014, but what do others think? You and I are keen Simon, Hayden isn't, but there are a lot of other IC/AC sailors of which a number do try to get to international regattas - what are their thoughts?
Any Germans care to comment on the idea of bringing the Worlds forward, or running a poll to see the interest?

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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:44 pm 
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I'm back, thanks Neil

I'm not 100% against more Worlds, I really enjoy meeting up with the rest of the IC World. My concern is we are just not at a strong enough level at this point to shorten the span between Worlds. I would love to have enough active in the class so we could fill at least 20' container to Europe or USA every year even, its just a simple fact at this point we don't have the numbers. With the effort Christian has been putting into the class growth in particular down under and some positive activity at the moment behind the scene in OZ it is likely their could be an IC Anzac attack at the next Worlds and into the future where we dont have to share with another class to get our boat across the other side of the World and back.

May the debate continue, what about the Swede's how do they feel about more Worlds?

H.


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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:21 pm 
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Well I've made it a poll now, so maybe we'll get some more input?

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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:03 pm 
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Some thought about this last night. At this point (unless we get more numbers from down under to fill a container) I can't see me being able to afford a Worlds every 2 years, 3 years is just possible at the moment so for me instead of a Worlds once every 3 years then it will be every four years. So shortening the gap will defeat the purpose for me.

Like I said earlier Im not 100% against the idea, I just don't think the class is at level to support more Worlds at the moment. Hopefully in a few years we are strong enough and can fill containers If we can then we will go close to halving the cost of boat transport.

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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:33 am 
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Hayden, The other side of the coin in this is that the Worlds are going to come round to your side of the globe more often than they might of otherwise. I understand your thinking that for the class stalwarts it means more expense but it may also be an attraction to class newcomers & is this not what were after? Regards Barry. :mrgreen: GBR176AC

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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:29 am 
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Though we do need to ensure that we achieve the required Nations - if we went to two years and say America or Sweden or Australia couldn't make the Worlds, what would the IC body do to ensure adequate representation? Do we up entry fee's a little to provide a kitty to subsidise attendees?

This applies for any worlds regardless of interval really.

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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:17 pm 
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hey Cats,
i'm thinking that i am getting older and more decrepit at a scary rate, so a Worlds every 2 years would be more likely to find me alive and able. if i made attending the Worlds a real focus, instead of a pipe dream, maybe i could round up enough cash to do them. worst case, if i miss one, the next train is coming along shortly. i'm hoping you guys will see my face at a Worlds in the near future ! i'll have a sweet little boat for the job .
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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:18 am 
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I guess if people are really keen we just need to put together a Worlds bid for 2013 (2 years after Germany) and see if it gets approved byt the ICF and IC sailors (as a trial) and if successful move to every 2 years.
I'd do it if people want to come 'down under' again (either Australia or New Zealand) - at the moment it's cheap given the state of the Australian Peso.

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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:06 pm 
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All,

For me personally, I would support keeping the world's every 3 years. In addition to the considerable cost, any World Championships in Europe is a year that I will not be able to sail my boat as it will be in transit for most of the sailing season. North American & Southern Hemisphere events have less of an impact.

I have been one of the most active sailors here in North America for years, but my attendance at World Championships since joining the class does not bear this out as my record has me attending only every other event outside of North America.

1990 The addiction beings, Started sailing IC’s after the container left for Germany
1993 San Francisco
1996 Missed Port Stephens
1999 Sweden
2002 Bristol (No shipping required)
2005 Missed Weymouth due to imminent arrival of #3
2008 McCrae

I am concerned that my situation is not unique, and that moving to a more aggressive schedule will dilute the fleet that can attend any one event. Let’s not forget that even with the Worlds every three years, the Class struggles to meet the ICF criteria for a World Championship event.

It is my hope that with the adoption of the new class rule, that the class can grow, and with increased numbers that the class will be strong enough to support a more active international schedule in the future, but for the time being, the class needs to focus on building on the enthusiasm generated by the new rule, and building boats built to the new rule.

In North America, I do not see increased frequency of World Championships being a key factor in generating class growth. I understand that this may be different in other countries, and I would be interested in hearing what others have to say.

Regards from wet & rainy New England

John Kells
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 Post subject: Re: More World Championships
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:01 pm 
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Gentlemen,
Both sides of this coin are viable options with their own set of pros and cons. Right now I still support a worlds every three years because it is far more likely that people are able to attend a worlds every three years than every two. It is certainly nicer for those who do miss a worlds to only have to wait two years but, the flip side of this is that many more people would end up missing the worlds and Championship attendance would ultimately drop off. The question really is do we want smaller worlds more often or bigger worlds less often? Keep in mind that, as John stated, we don't have the easiest time putting a worlds together as it is and this would add additional strain.

That being said ideally the rule changes cause the class to grow stronger and allow us to do this. While it may not be a good idea right now it might become one later. I hate to say this but, at least for now, I think we should adopt a "wait and see" policy. We should keep bringing this up after every worlds until eventually we are strong enough to do it.

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